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	<title>Comments on: Australian finches in the wild – What can they can tell us about captive birds</title>
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		<title>By: ThePetDirectory</title>
		<link>http://www.finchme.com/2008/09/11/australian-finches-in-the-wild-%e2%80%93-what-can-they-can-tell-us-about-captive-birds/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePetDirectory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic article!</p>
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		<title>By: Archer</title>
		<link>http://www.finchme.com/2008/09/11/australian-finches-in-the-wild-%e2%80%93-what-can-they-can-tell-us-about-captive-birds/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator>Archer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Greg...

Great article! I've had fun reading most of your blogs in this site, but this one is probably the most enjoyable!

I hope that you can return to your native land down under soon... as I'm sure it will include another excursion like the one you just had at Kimberly, and probably a few more wonderful blogs as well.

Until next time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Greg&#8230;</p>
<p>Great article! I&#8217;ve had fun reading most of your blogs in this site, but this one is probably the most enjoyable!</p>
<p>I hope that you can return to your native land down under soon&#8230; as I&#8217;m sure it will include another excursion like the one you just had at Kimberly, and probably a few more wonderful blogs as well.</p>
<p>Until next time!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.finchme.com/2008/09/11/australian-finches-in-the-wild-%e2%80%93-what-can-they-can-tell-us-about-captive-birds/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alaric.  I hate to admit to it but Australia has one of the worst extinction records on the planet!  The pressures of introduced animals and changes to landuse have wiped out maybe 30% of Australia's mammals as they were known soon after European settlement 220 years ago.  The birds fared a little better but have been going down hill since the end 1960's.  Not conincidentally this associates with the end of traditional Aboriginal lifestyles that had maintained the landscape for thousands of years.  To be totally contiversial, Australia's landscape was/is an anthropogenic artifact.  It's well documented that the the continent's vegetation underwent dramatic changes and it's unique megafauna went extinct soon after the arrival of the Aboriginies - probably lost some nice finches too!

Yes the Philippines is a poor country but poverty isn't the issue with nature conservation. It's how adapted the ecosystems are to human influences and how great that pressure is.  While I don't condone the unsustainable trade in wild harvested animals I'm not against it as, in general, the "pet" trade offers a very small pressure compared to habitat degredation. When populations reach critial levels as they have with the Philippine's cockatoo, wild collection should have already ceased and environmental enhancement of their habitat must become a priority.  

Food self-sufficency is a difficulty for a poor and overpopulated country because land is need to produce food.  At some point though the land runs out and then what do we as citizens or a species do?  If voluntary population control isn't seen as desirable then the alternatives don't look too good.  At a global level too rich counties like Australia can fool themselves into thinking that they can keep squeezing every last gram of rice/wheat/corn etc from a landscape with scientific improvements but eventually there is no elasticity in the system and the population teeters on the brink of destruction.  It's been a long time since I studied population and systems ecology but I remember that eventually all such critically balanced sytems collapse because they as so vulnerable to random events like the weather and disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alaric.  I hate to admit to it but Australia has one of the worst extinction records on the planet!  The pressures of introduced animals and changes to landuse have wiped out maybe 30% of Australia&#8217;s mammals as they were known soon after European settlement 220 years ago.  The birds fared a little better but have been going down hill since the end 1960&#8217;s.  Not conincidentally this associates with the end of traditional Aboriginal lifestyles that had maintained the landscape for thousands of years.  To be totally contiversial, Australia&#8217;s landscape was/is an anthropogenic artifact.  It&#8217;s well documented that the the continent&#8217;s vegetation underwent dramatic changes and it&#8217;s unique megafauna went extinct soon after the arrival of the Aboriginies - probably lost some nice finches too!</p>
<p>Yes the Philippines is a poor country but poverty isn&#8217;t the issue with nature conservation. It&#8217;s how adapted the ecosystems are to human influences and how great that pressure is.  While I don&#8217;t condone the unsustainable trade in wild harvested animals I&#8217;m not against it as, in general, the &#8220;pet&#8221; trade offers a very small pressure compared to habitat degredation. When populations reach critial levels as they have with the Philippine&#8217;s cockatoo, wild collection should have already ceased and environmental enhancement of their habitat must become a priority.  </p>
<p>Food self-sufficency is a difficulty for a poor and overpopulated country because land is need to produce food.  At some point though the land runs out and then what do we as citizens or a species do?  If voluntary population control isn&#8217;t seen as desirable then the alternatives don&#8217;t look too good.  At a global level too rich counties like Australia can fool themselves into thinking that they can keep squeezing every last gram of rice/wheat/corn etc from a landscape with scientific improvements but eventually there is no elasticity in the system and the population teeters on the brink of destruction.  It&#8217;s been a long time since I studied population and systems ecology but I remember that eventually all such critically balanced sytems collapse because they as so vulnerable to random events like the weather and disease.</p>
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		<title>By: alaric</title>
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		<dc:creator>alaric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the last stronghold of the red-vented cockatoos is the protected rasa island off the coast of central palawan. 

i stayed in puerto princesa for two years and one of the most unforgettable thing is saw while living there was a pair of red vents flying noisily overhead. i can just imagine the wonderful cacophony they would have created if their population level could still form flocks. 

i understand they are critically endangered today but 30 years ago when i was still in high school they were sold for P80 each in cartimar pet shops and practically every pet shop there had several red vents for sale. 

it's a national shame how people took them for granted.

i think it's great the way australia is able preserve its wildlife but i guess in an impoverished country like ours wildlife is simply not a priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the last stronghold of the red-vented cockatoos is the protected rasa island off the coast of central palawan. </p>
<p>i stayed in puerto princesa for two years and one of the most unforgettable thing is saw while living there was a pair of red vents flying noisily overhead. i can just imagine the wonderful cacophony they would have created if their population level could still form flocks. </p>
<p>i understand they are critically endangered today but 30 years ago when i was still in high school they were sold for P80 each in cartimar pet shops and practically every pet shop there had several red vents for sale. </p>
<p>it&#8217;s a national shame how people took them for granted.</p>
<p>i think it&#8217;s great the way australia is able preserve its wildlife but i guess in an impoverished country like ours wildlife is simply not a priority.</p>
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